The Llywydd, Lord Dafydd Elis-Thomas has said he would argue that the title of the Prince of Wales was no longer relevant to the constitutional development of Wales in the 21st Century.
"...because the constitutional development has shifted to Wales' own institutions and obviously to the First Minister and to devolved government in the National Assembly itself.
"I haven't discussed this directly with the Royal Family and it's not my place to do that but if they were to ask me what should happen I would say that the role of the prince needs to be redefined if that title is to be continued."
Some of us would rather it didn't continue at all.
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What he really means is that we don't need a Prince of Wales any more because we have a Lord President now.
This is the best thing Dafydd El has done in a long time.
The Investiture was used by both Lloyd George and George Thomas to further their own political ends.
Good on the lord!
What about the Lord of Nant Conwy? He could drop that now as an example top follow!
Saw Andrew RT Davies on Dragon's Eye, who seemed to be confusing Unioninsm with MOnarchism, and who kept moronically repeating that because 90% of Welsh were against independence, 90% wanted the monarchy.
The he told us that the investiture at Caernarfon was historic, and when corrected (and told it wa sfabricated) he said that peopel made history according to their own imaginations.
Thisis perhaps the thickest politician Ive seen in years. And I've heard both Jeff Cuthbert and Darren Millar speak live, so I know my thick politicians.
PS - and why Adrian Masters the interviewer didn;t pick him up on the Unionist/Monarchist point is a godo question.
No Paxman he.
Dave Rodway - I noted that too. I counted 4 mentions of "90% of Wales are passionate Unionists" in an interview that had nothing to do with independence or devolution.
It nearly sounded like he'd been taking lessons from David Davies and David Rees!
I'm sure 90% of Welshmen are perfectly reasonable people who see no reason to stick two fingers up to the rest of Britain so long as the rest of Britain doesn't stick two fingers up to Wales. And quite frankly, abolishing irrelevant noble titles is just a two fingers gesture -- it doesn't actually achieve anything for Wales.
Well, yes it does achieve somethign: those of us who don;t believe in independence but think the monarchy is both pointless (useless, thick, tax-funded and reactionary clods and actively bad (because it reinforces class strutures which have almost nothing to do with Wales, and are an offence to most people in England too).
There is also the fact that in a world where one is trying to create social justice, it's simply dickish to have your head of state on a hereditary principle.
Wanting to steer clear of Prince shit is not 2 fingers up at England, not least because plenty of our English neighbours would also want to be rid of it.
Republicanism is one of the noblest and most progressive elements of British history, and is tied in with mahy things that we consider good about this country - Monarchy isn't.
Dorks like Andrew RT Davies woudl still have a Wales in which the Western Mail reports the birth of a new royal baby on it front page while reporting a disaster that kills hundreds of miners in the Rhondda on its 3rd page. Keir Hardie had something to say about that...
The use of the title Prince of Wales has been the English monarchy's two fingers up at Wales since Edward Longshanks invested his son. Fact.
James D - a lot of Unionists are Republicans and some Nationalists are Monarchists (especially in Scotland).
There's no direct link between the two.
I just think its a very hypocritical move by Lord E-T. He swans around Cardiff Bay as if he's Crown Prince of Wales
"I just think its a very hypocritical move by Lord E-T. He swans around Cardiff Bay as if he's Crown Prince of Wales"
Er... some examples to back up that rather pathetic comment?
Or indeed to show why an elected politician is hypocritical for objecting to unelected hereditary pomp and wealth?
or are the labourites turning mornarchist now that they're joining David Davies's crusade?
Just let him be Prince of England and let them deal with it , I dont recognise him as anything other a descendant of oppressors
Time to stop the whole farce
Lord Dafydd , well time to get rid of that title and how anyone in Plaid can accept one to me is hypocrasy
Brother Tecwyn, you are the last person that I would have expected to see here supporting the monarchical class.
I am a member of the monarchical class, and I have a greater claim to the title of Prince of Wales than the impostor Charles Windsor has (I am of Welsh Royal descent, Carlo isn't).
If you are a true Welsh Monarchist you MUST support my claim to the throne.
On the other hand, shouldn't the most senior Labour Blogger left (sic) in Wales be campaigning for class equality rather than monarchical primacy?
Alwyn, I shall support your claim in an independent Wales provided you have all the genealogical evidence.
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